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Identification of suture packs

Tue Aug 27, 2019 16:04

Hi

It’s been a while since I posted here.

I suspect these items are post WW2 but was hoping some one can help me identify these.

I recently acquired this pack of sutures. I was told they are WW2 vintage but are nylon.

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I was wondering what era they would be suitable to and if military in Origin?

Would they be suitable for Vietnam war era use. I have recently been asked to be involved in a Vietnam war era display in addition to WW2 and was thinking of expanding from WW2 era to have a variety of reenactment displays.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Some photos of my first attempt at Vietnam display below.

Cheers

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Tue Aug 27, 2019 21:53

Hi,
The item number on the box and packets is a 7 digits separated by 2 hyphens. So it is post war, as it is in the 1947 MSC.

It corresponds to the item 3799600 (Suture, Silk, Dermal, Medium, 1 Suture : 40 inches long) from the 1944 MSC.

So it's good for all the conflicts since 1947...

Nice box by the way !

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Wed Aug 28, 2019 04:13

Hi Malpaso

Thanks for the quick reply and information. It’s great.

I was thinking of trying to reproduce the box and contents.

One question when you state it corresponds to the suture, silk, dermal, do you mean the nylon generally replaced the silk suture for the same applications after some time around 1947?

Thanks again

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Mon Sep 16, 2019 09:21

Hi Andrew,

The change is in the different catalogs... I guess the material changed between 1944 and 1947, different material for the same item.

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Fri Sep 20, 2019 23:04


As Malpaso points out, the change in the catalogue number dates this item as post-WW2. The lack of a zoning code (used by the US Postal Service pre-1963 until the Zoning Improvement Plan -- the so-called "ZIP Code" -- was implemented that year) suggests the manufacturer was situated in a city small enough to have only a single post office. Likewise the use of the abbreviation "Mass." instead of "MA" dates this item's manufacture to no later than 1963. Definitely era-appropriate for a Korean War, Vietnam War or early Cold War display!

With regard to the question of silk versus nylon, perhaps someone could weigh in with a definitive answer concerning whether nylon sutures were fielded during the war. Given that the DuPont Corporation came up with the first nylon formulation in 1935 and that IG Farben devised yet another variation in 1938, it seems reasonable that nylon sutures would have been developed and fielded by someone somewhere along the way. Remember that silk was already getting to be in short supply as a consequence of the Sino-Japanese War of the '30s and was getting steadily scarcer by the beginning of WW2. Please do not construe this as a definitive answer on the matter -- merely an educated guess.

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Tue Oct 01, 2019 16:49

Thanks for the information.

Would be good to get answer on when nylon was first used as a suture material.

There are certain advantages and disadvantages to silk vs nylon.

Silk being braided is easier to tie and the knots slip less, however greater potential for infections and causes more tissue irritation and inflammation. The strength of the knots is one reason silk gets used often for securing surgical drains etc. Silk should also degrade and absorbed quicker while nylon (monofilament) will retain strength for longer. That’s why I was wondering if thy were close enough to exchange for the same role.

I also just taught me what ZIP code actually stands for!

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Re: Identification of suture packs

Fri Oct 11, 2019 05:31

Andrewb wrote:I also just taught me what ZIP code actually stands for!

...and the mail still doesn't get delivered any faster! :D

Glad to have been of assistance.

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