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Mon Jan 01, 2007 19:02

Not sure if this is where this goes.

I have a couple of M1941 Merimite cans that I have converted to "Blood Pails for my living history display.

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I had a stencil made up for the front side but I am unable to totally find the lettering that is on the rear side.

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Of all the pics I have discovered on the net there is nothing that shows the complete lettering.

Does anyone know what this is?

From piecing together what I have seen I have deduced this so far (might be wrong)

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left side........................................right side


TO BE ........................................................LY
FOR WH................................................BLOOD
RETURN......................................DESIGNATION
AIRF.............................................ITH REC.......
SE...............................................ATELY...........



I need the text that is missing. Again it is in the middle and can't be seen. I could probably guess what it says but I want to do it right the first time.

Anyone have any pictures of these or know exactly what these are supposed to say.

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Tue Jan 02, 2007 19:07

Bill,

Firstly let me start by thanking you for posting your query on the site, and secondly let me congratulate you on what you have on your Marmite so far.

Alain and I will have a dig around through some of the images and various documents and see what further information we can offer about the missing lettering. I will keep you posted.

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Thu Jan 04, 2007 21:01

Bill,

I have had another look at the Blood Pail lettering, and some illustrations in my collection, and think that I have been able to offer some of the missing characters and words from the stencil. I cannot 100% confirm that this is correct, but I have compared it to other items related to plasma in my collection and it would appear to be correct:

TO BE USED ONLY
FOR WHOLE BLOOD

RETURN......................................DESIGNATION
AIRF.............................................ITH REC.......
SE...............................................ATELY...........

I will try and confirm the additional markings as and when I find out some further information.

I hope that helps,
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 04:04

Thank you for the information Ben.

With your help it looks like we are halfway there.

Please keep me advised.

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 22:35

Hi Bill,
I noticed most cans have Roman-type markings (ETO BLOOD BANK), exceptionally some appear in Gothic-type lettering too !
The rest of the smaller texts are Gothic-type, which mostly appear in 5 lines, but also in 2 lines .
So far, I've discovered the following extra data :
TO BE USED ONLY
FOR WHOLE BLOOD
RETURN TO DESIGNATED
AIRFIELDS WITH RECIPIENT
...... IMMEDIATELY WHEN ......
I'm not certain about the end, and also miss the word preceding 'immediately' ...
Nevertheless, I do hope the above will help you further along,
Regards,
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 22:13

Another quick point,

The Blood Marmites also seem to have additional stenciling on their lid. I have attached an illustration which shows the frontal and top markings on the Marmites, and I hope that it comes in useful.

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Neat! Those appear to be the English supplied Blood Bottles they are loading....

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Tue Feb 06, 2007 04:46

Thanks Alain,

We are so close here on finally getting this done for the next season.

I Thank all for their time and input.

FYI...Rick Larsen took the time to make me the original pattern for the front of the pail. I am sure it can be purchased from him.

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Fri Apr 20, 2007 17:37

Bill,
Did you go through our Article "Miscellaneous Medical Equipment" > Plasma & Blood ? I discovered another picture (see third picture in subject article) illustrating one of the marmite cans adorned with a white Caduceus on one of the sides ! So it seems that apart from the texts/markings discussed before, there was a 'specific' medical insignia on the cans as well .
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Sat Apr 21, 2007 04:46

Thank you for bringing that to my attention Alain.

Another stencil for the Blood pail

As far as the lettering goes we are here and still a couple of letters short on the first word last line and I believe a word short on the last word bottom line.

TO BE USED ONLY
FOR WHOLE BLOOD
RETURN TO DESIGNATED
AIRFIELDS WITH RECIPIENT
SE??? IMMEDIATELY WHEN ??????
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Sun Apr 22, 2007 03:34

The last line may be:

"SETS IMMEDIATELY WHEN FULL / FILLED/ READY?"

The "RECIPIENT SET" was what was used for GIVING whole blood transfusions.... just a guess mind you.
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Mon Apr 23, 2007 01:09

Good Call Doc!

In looking at my stash of pictures it is the word "sets". I saw it before but it did not make sense until you gave your explanation and I thought it was a typo.

So what do you think the last word is?

I do not have any pictures of the last word at all...not even any letters or offset to count the digits.

You are on a roll...give it a shot!
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 03:30

Thanks! I had lots of help, this thing is just like a big word puzzle! I'd take a venture on the last word being:

"FULL" / "FILLED"/ "READY" something like that perhaps?

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Tue May 01, 2007 13:15

Hello again to all,

After my visit to Belgium this weekend, and visiting one of the museums in Bastogne, I noticed a Marmite on the floor. Upon further inspection and reading, it turned out that the Marmite was actually an original "ETO Blood Bank" thermos, used during the Battle of the Bulge. I took a photograph of the Marmite and the lettering came out OK.

There was a Caduceus on the rear of the container, but no other lettering whatsoever. Here is the image, and I hope that it helps somewhat. Unfortunately I could not get a shot of the Caduceus as it was on the rear of the container, and I could not move it for some reason (I think it may have been fixed to the floor!).

Just thought I would post it up to help you,
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Wed May 02, 2007 04:12

This is good to know, as I have seen a Marmite marked ETO Blood Bank in a reputable guys collection. He claimed it was real, but I was always a bit dubious as it only had the ETO BB lettering and a Caduceus (appeared to be a thin water slide type decal) on the opposite side. I guess maybe it is legit!
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