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Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 04:56
by sgtpeter
I have another number for you to add Ben. 40727 belonged to Med Dept 301st INF 94th Div. Unfortunately, its not in my collection :(

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:44
by Ben
Thanks Peter, your number has now been added to the Database.

With the help of Australian contributor Leife Hulbert, we have also been able to add a number of other Armored-related serial numbers.

Thanks and kind regards,
Ben :)

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 16:20
by Ben
In preparing another Unit History for the website, I have been able to add the following entry to the database:

49632 - 108th Evacuation Hospital

Thanks,
Ben :)

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:26
by LOSMP
Ben wrote: "In preparing another Unit History for the website, I have been able to add the following entry to the database:
49632 - 108th Evacuation Hospital"

And that's the number on the upright crate in your picture, appearing in your Unit History of the 24th Evac.

The picture is about halfway down in the narrative, and is labeled "View of a field laboratory set up in a tent."

Lois

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 08:02
by Ben
Yes, but interestingly when I came across the photograph used in the 24th Evac Hosp Unit History, we didn't know what unit it was from. Having located the original Unit History book of the 108th Evacuation Hospital, I was surprised to see subject photograph labelled as being the 108th!

Another piece to the puzzle, I guess...

Thanks,
Ben

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 13:23
by medicairborne
Hello,

In the site : http://www.med-dept.com/pom/ ; I don't understand the difference between :
43283 1st division, 1st engineer battalion, HQ co
43217 1st division, 1st engineer battalion, A co
43218 1st division, 1st engineer battalion, B co
43219 1st division, 1st engineer battalion, C co

and

43667 1st division, 1st engineer combat battalion
43214 1st division, 1st engineer combat battalion, C co

There was an independant battalion (1st Army) attached at the division ?

Other problem, the code is redondant for the 32FA Bat :
43519 & 43783 - 1st Division, 32d Field Artillery, Service Battery
43517 & 43526 - 1st Division, 32d Field Artillery, A Battery
43518 & 43524 - 1st Division, 32d Field Artillery, B Battery
43520 & 43525 - 1st Division, 32d Field Artillery, C Battery

thanks of your idea
RĂ©mi

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 08:26
by PAdoc
Ok, now my stupid questions for the day.
1. Just which units actually used POM markings? For example, some units involved in the European Theater there never seem to have any examples of POM markings.
2. What period of time were they used? Just up to D Day or throughout the European campaign?
3. Is there any way to find the whole ID number of a particular unit? Do we know the particular meaning of each digit in the ID number?
Thanks

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 15:33
by Ben
PADoc, I'm afraid that we don't really know the answers to all of your questions.

1) Knowing exactly which units were and were not provided with the Unit Serial Numbers would require locating the Priority Build-Up Tables, which seem to be proving extremely elusive. I'm sure that we will find them sooner of later, we must just be looking in the wrong places.

2) The barcode system was in use as early as Operation Torch. However, as far as I have been able to tell, the codes which were used for Neptune were exclusive to that Operation.

3) As far as I have been able to ascertain (by identifying consecutive units) there seems to be no correlation in the first three digits, or indeed each digit of the Unit Serial Number.

Sorry that I can't be of more help, but we're all learning as we go with this one!

Kind regards,
Ben :)

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 15:42
by Ben
Dear gang,

At a recent militaria fair here in the UK, I managed to pick up a nice grouping. It slotted nicely into my two main areas of research; the US Army Medical Department and the Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings. It is a grouping identified S/Sgt Donald I. Clark of the 28th General Hospital, and includes his Musette Bag and Duffel Bag.

More importantly, painted on the Duffel Bag is the 5-digit Unit Serial Number for his unit, the 28th General Hospital. As a result, I'm able to confirm another POM marking for the database as follows:

48424 - 28th General Hospital

I'm also including a few photographs of the grouping for reference:

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Thanks and kind regards,
Ben.

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 05:28
by WC_54
Ben,

The issue of the MVPA Army Motors that arrived today (Feb 7, 2011), issue 134. Has an article by Lloyd White in it about "Overseas Marketings".

You may want to acquire the issue.

Bill

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:26
by Ben
Thanks for the information, Bill. I have sent you a message.

Regards,
Ben :)

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 14:30
by johan willaert
WC_54 wrote:The issue of the MVPA Army Motors that arrived today (Feb 7, 2011), issue 134. Has an article by Lloyd White in it about "Overseas Marketings".


Looking forward to my copy arriving... It always takes a couple of extra days or weeks to cross the Ocean...

There was already an article about those markings in an Army Motors roughly 15 years ago... Issue 68 I believe...

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 15:36
by WC_54
I believe that this is a reprint of that article.

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 09:41
by medicairborne
Here is a synthese (excel file uploaded ) realized with the data of the site more others for the free french army. I have tried to define the tactical code of the units.
http://dl.free.fr/dbmO3gliM


I wait for your corrections
Thank you
Greetings

Re: [REF] Preparation for Overseas Movement Markings

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 04:38
by Lloyd White
Hi guys:

Bill Wolf directed me to your site, after telling me about the interest you guys had in the bar code.

We redid the Bar code marking article, because there had been some talk about it on the G-503 site, and it was originally printed in Army Motor # 67. In a little reference to how to original document was found, It is located in the research library at Ft. Levenworth, Kansas. It was found by Retired Major Steve McGeorge who taught classes there, and was the only bar code document he found in there library. Another interesting note is, it is my understanding that doing research at the library is not open to the public. One other point I would like to make in reference in the bar code markings, and I think when you see a large letter after a bar code, it was only used in the invasion of up through Italy. All jeep photos I have with this type of bar code marking were not taken during the Normandy, It might be the same for all the personal equipment as well. So if it was not for Steve, the information would have never surfaced to the public. Although Steve knows a lot about WWII, his main love is WWI.

Lloyd