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Alain
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Flagstaff Heads

Mon Aug 15, 2011 09:50

Hi Guys,
While everyone is familiar with such finials as the "Eagle" (used on Presidential flagstaffs) and "Spearhead" (as used with Army flags and guidons), I wonder who has ever come acros an "Acorn" (used on markers and pennants flagstaffs ?

I've been desperately looking for a couple (wood ? plastic ? fiber ?) of them - but was unable to locate such item ...

Any of you guys know about this ? particularly our US-based friends ?

Thanks.
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Alain :mrgreen:
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Re: Flagstaff Heads

Tue Aug 16, 2011 05:11

Hi Alain -

To be honest, I never thought about it. I have seen the eagle, the Army spear, the flat spear and the ball, but never noticed the acorn. And I'm not really sure what a marker or marking pennant is.

Check out these links ...

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/UniformedServices/Flags/Flagstaff_Head.aspx

http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r840_10.pdf

Page 36 says a guidon is a marker. Although I don't recall ever seeing a modern guidon with anything but the Army spear.
Page 50 describes a marking pennant.
Page 53 says the staff for a marker and marking pennant is 7ft long vs 8ft for a guidon.

http://www.flagguys.com/ornaments.html

Good luck!
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Re: Flagstaff Heads

Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:13

Hi Peter,
Sincere thanks pal !

I intend to contact the company tthat lists the "Acorn" finial as well.
Btw, those were specifically used for General Officers Flags, Base or Post Pennants, and also on Ambulance Markers, used on military vehicles in WW2, that's the reason I was looking for the item.

Cheers,
Alain :D
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Re: Flagstaff Heads

Wed Aug 17, 2011 20:53

Hi Alain;

Can you post some original pictures about this flags in use with the "acorn"-top? (Or with the different tops.) Don't know if there standing on the site.
Sounds very intresting :D !!

With kind regards,
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Re: Flagstaff Heads

Fri Aug 19, 2011 06:09

For what it's worth, in the US Navy, ships boats assigned to certain officers had a device fitted to the peak of the flag staff. The type of device was determined by the officer's rank. From my 1944 US Navy Deck Officers Guide:
A spread eagle, for officials whose official salute is 19 or more guns.
A halberd, for flag or general officers whose salute is less than 19 guns.
A ball, for officers of the grade of Navy captain.
A star, for officers or the grade of Navy commander.
A flat truck, for officrs below the grade of Navy commander,
Of course that does not answer the question of the acorn. I have always known the acorn to be on simple marker flags. The acorn device is clearly a more simple, less official device for the pole. I see in the 2001 US Army Flag Code that is still the case.

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