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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:09

Hi Alain, Howdy gang!

I got some more data to update this thread.

1. George A. Reiss, 22 Aug 1944, R 414788
http://www.stamfordhistory.org/exhibit2006/reiss1w.png

2. Frederick T. House, 11 Jan 45, R 227096

As I am not sure which of these data may be known it might be a good idea to share a list of cards, that we collected so far and update it at regular intervals.
I also don´t see a sequence in using the prefixes. What about a relation to the first pattern cards numbers? In 1944 the patterns have been changed and maybe the future numbers have been "calculated" or registered using the old numbers. So an early issued first pattern was changed to a R marked second pattern card in 1945 and a later issued first pattern card got a T in late 1944 - just my thoughts.
I found the following link of a pamphlet called "Preparation Of Identification Cards" . This may help by researching the earliest issue date of the ID cards.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/29368669/Dapam-20-9-Preparation-of-Identification-Cards-1944

I will keep my eyes open for more data.

Cheers, J.B.

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sun Jul 25, 2010 14:29

Hi J.B.,

Fantastic news ! This is truly a very interesting find - I was aware that such a kind of document had been circulating in WW2, but was never able to locate same. Thanks for sharing this pal !

I also added the 2 additional Medical ID Card (W.D. A.G.O. 65-10) references you kindly listed. As you state, it might be a good idea to list whatever is already available.

Thanks again pal.
Very much appreciated,
Alain :D
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sun Jul 25, 2010 18:22

Alain,
I am also happy that I found this pamphlet.
It really might give some great information about this subject.
Like I posted before I am still looking for more data and will share them with you guys.
I would like to see such a list, because data I havn´t found by myself is also interesting :wink:
Thanks.

Cheers,
J.B.

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:32

Hello everybody, Hi Alain.

here is an other Medical ID card:

PVT Caputo, 7 September 1944, R 413874

I am not the owner of the photos, so I can´t post them here.
But if somebody is interesting in, I can send them via PM.
Any news about a complete data file?
Have a nice weekend.

Cheers, J.B.

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sun Aug 29, 2010 09:04

Hi J.B.,
Appreciated your assistance. Here comes the list that I was able to collate (to date), with personal thanks to those Forum members, and others, who provided additional data.

W.D. Certificate of Identity issued to Military & Civilian Protected Personnel, second pattern, laminated, ref. W.D., A.G.O., 65-10:

31 May 1944 - R 124...; 8 June 1944 - R 160169; 10 July 1944 - R 097492; 11 July 1944 - R 065882; 19 July 1944 - R 006993; 25 July 1944 - R 002563; 1 August 1944 - R 400015; 22 August 1944 - R 414788; 7 September 1944 - R 413874; 10 September 1944 - R 129953; 18 September 1944 - R 076743; 18 September 1944 - R 491441; 21 September - R 045205; 23 September 1944 - R 259775; 12 October 1944 - R 452471; 12 October 1944 - R 096558; 27 October 1944 - R 492308; 6 November 1944 - R 076905; 26 November 1944 - S 140191; 11 December 1944 - R 262622; 26 December - R 221292.

11 January 1945 - R 227096; 17 January 1945 - R 225318; 28 February 1945 - R 493045; 12 March 1945 - R 320193; 9 April 1945 - R 355510; 11 May 1945 - R 454357; 29 May 1945 - R 347907; 7 June 1945 - T 352580; 12 June 1945 - R 378585; 26 June 1945 - R 194323; 29 June 1945 - S 239163; 9 July 1945 - R 194358

I wasn't able to draw a pattern, or a series linked to a certain period of time; maybe some units or groups were allocated a series of prefixes, or numbers, but it really is hard to tell, with some specific prefixes, such as S and T popping up in certain months, when the standard prefix seemed to be R ... anyone with a sound theory ?

Thanks and good luck ...
Alain :D :mrgreen:
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Thu Sep 02, 2010 16:13

Were medics who landed on the French coasts on D-Day issued the 1st type, of 2nd type Medical ID Card?

Bob

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Fri Sep 03, 2010 06:56

Hi Bob,
As you can see, some of the second pattern ID cards go back as early as May 1944.
There doesn't seem to have been a 'fixed' distribution system of subject cards. I've interviewed and met with Vets, who enlisted early in the war, and some who had been late war Replacements, and they had a mix of documents. Naturally, those who had been with the Armed Forces in the earlier stages usually had the first pattern card, but I know about D-Day Veterans who received new documents, as the early pattern often suffered from advanced wear and tear (unprotected paperwork). Oddly enough, although the US Army was a 'rich' Army, there was a policy of using 'old' elements first until existing stocks were depleted ... look at the mix of uniforms and equipment. Late war Replacements moving overseas from the Zone of Interior were often still equipped with M-1941 Field Jackets, Service Shoes + Leggings, old style Gas Masks, etc...

For D-Day, I would be tempted to say that the first pattern Medical ID Cards were probably more around than the 'laminated' version, yet, some participants already had the new issue when landing on the Continent ...

I hope this helps.
Thanks for your interest.
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:32

Alain,
Thanks for your reply on my question. Going to find me an 1st model Medical ID Card to display with my medic mannequin.What is the current price for such a ID card? USD30-50??

Thanks!
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:57

Bob,
These first pattern ID cards fetch a good deal of money now. I've seen some examples reach over €100!
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Sat Sep 04, 2010 16:42

Hi folks,

I just found another 2nd version Medical ID card.
Here is the data:

PFC Richardson, 30 June 45, R 355430

As you can see it is another very late war card with the prefix R
Alain, thanks for the list. I totally agree, that before D-Day there might have been issued a lot less second version cards. Looking at the nice bunch of data we all collected so far, we just found only one pre-D-Day. There is quite no rule to it, but I guess we are a step closer...

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Fri Nov 05, 2010 08:59

I am glad to check the list in here. The pamphlet could help me too. The information is really interesting, I could also share the link to my friends.

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Mon Nov 08, 2010 21:15

Howdy folks!

Long time no news, but today I found an other ID card on the web.

PFC Raymond M Leopold, Waterbury, CT
Issue Date: 17th June 1945 , R 356030

The card can be seen at this link: http://www.pbs.org/thewar/detail_4681.htm

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Tue Nov 09, 2010 18:10

Thanks J.B.,
Your assistance is once more appreciated !

Cheers,
Alain :D
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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Mon Nov 15, 2010 19:42

And again an other ID card.
It is listed in an ebay auction right now.

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Delbert W. Sonnabend , PVT
Issue Date: 9 Sept 1944
Identification No: R 129382

So the list is still growing...

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Re: War Department, Medical ID Card (laminated)

Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:17

The next one. Also with an ebay auction.

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Arleigh M Rasmusson, PFC
Issue Date: 24 Aug 1944
Identification No: R 072851

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